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2004 Volkswagen Phaeton [Typ 3D]

2004 Volkswagen Phaeton [Typ 3D] in Motorweek, Non-fiction TV, 1981-2015 IMDB Ep. 2004

Class: Cars, Sedan — Model origin: DE — Made for: USA

2004 Volkswagen Phaeton [Typ 3D]

[*][*][*] Vehicle used by a character or in a car chase

Comments about this vehicle

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Gamer DE

2015-04-29 20:45

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I think US Phaetons are priced higher than EU versions as they failed so badly and are rare.

carcrasher88 US

2015-04-29 21:03

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Actually, US market Phaetons have depreciated severely. Though rare, it's not hard to get a Phaeton dirt cheap when you find one.

S 415 GT DE

2015-04-29 21:04

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Not really, americans just didn't want to pay $70k for a Volkswagen, while germans did and do. The Hyundai Equus and Kia K900 also failed beacause of that.

Baube QC

2015-04-29 21:09

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according to my books, price for VW Phaeton in 2005 was starting at 99 600$ for the V8 and 136 500$ for W12. sad for VW fans but nobody will pay that much knowing that they can get a BMW, Mercedes or Audi or even a Porsche 911 for that money....

ingo DE

2015-04-29 22:00

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S 415 GT wrote Not really, americans just didn't want to pay $70k for a Volkswagen, while germans did and do. The Hyundai Equus and Kia K900 also failed beacause of that.

No, the Germans don't do that either. Actually in Germany over 90% of all Phaetons do have their first registration on a VW-dealership or the Volkswagen AG itself - that it's sellable anyhow, in this case as a dealer's demonstration car or with the discount of a so-named "one-day-registration".

Maybe the Phaeton will disappear very soon, since Mr.Piech is out of order now. This economical and disaster for Volkswagen was his favourite baby and only still in production for that reason. Anyways, it's already a very good bargain as an used car. Maybe I will buy one, too, when my Vectra will be out of function some day.

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carcrasher88 US

2015-04-29 22:03

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S 415 GT wrote Not really, americans just didn't want to pay $70k for a Volkswagen, while germans did and do. The Hyundai Equus and Kia K900 also failed beacause of that.


Actually, the Equus hasn't been a failure. Hyundai never really intended the Equus to be a big mass-market success, rather they've expected the smaller Genesis to be just that, which it has.

Plus, given the fact that Phaeton never sold more than 1,500 cars in a single year, while the Equus has had 4 straight years of sales over 3,000 per year, I'd say the Equus has been much more successful the Phaeton ever was here, and not a failure.

carcrasher88 US

2015-04-29 22:05

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ingo wrote
No, the Germans don't do that either. Actually in Germany over 90% of all Phaetons do have their first registration on a VW-dealership or the Volkswagen AG itself - that it's sellable anyhow, in this case as a dealer's demonstration car or with the discount of a so-named "one-day-registration".

Maybe the Phaeton will disappear very soon, since Mr.Piech is out of order now. This economical and disaster for Volkswagen was his favourite baby and only still in production for that reason. Anyways, it's already a very good bargain as an used car. Maybe I will buy one, too, when my Vectra will be out of function some day.


If you do, just be wary of maintenance costs. I don't know how they are in Germany, but in the US, it's pretty pricy to maintain a Phaeton, even in comparison to a Continental Flying Spur or A8, which are both related to the Phaeton.

ingo DE

2015-04-29 22:10

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P.S. The Phaeton got its popularity mainly, because this chavvy bloke Link to "i.auto-bild.de" chose it (with some ballyhoo) as company-car. For political reasons, because before he became our chancellor, he was the prime minister of Lower Saxony and in this function you are automatically a member of the supervisory boead of the Volkswagen AG. Actually Volkswagen is the far biggest employer in Lower Saxony.

ingo DE

2015-04-29 22:16

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carcrasher88 wrote
If you do, just be wary of maintenance costs. I don't know how they are in Germany, but in the US, it's pretty pricy to maintain a Phaeton, even in comparison to a Continental Flying Spur or A8, which are both related to the Phaeton.


I know, but some of my K 70-fellows are working at Volkswagen or a VW-dealership, so with some connections I could soften that topic a bit. And actually the Phaeton is indeed a very reliable car, made in excellent quality. The Audi A8, too, but as the Phaeton is much less popular than the A8 and not often used as a CEO's company car, there is a good chance to catch a Phaeton with a low mileage. A8's, also Porsche Cayenne and Panameras often have astronomic high mileages due the intensive business-usage.

S 415 GT DE

2015-04-29 22:16

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ingo wrote
No, the Germans don't do that either. Actually in Germany over 90% of all Phaetons do have their first registration on a VW-dealership or the Volkswagen AG itself - that it's sellable anyhow, in this case as a dealer's demonstration car or with the discount of a so-named "one-day-registration".

The Phaeton outsold the W221 S-Class 2-3 years ago, when it was an outgoing model. Yes these were not actual sales, but the Phaeton is even older than the W221.

carcrasher88 wrote
Plus, given the fact that Phaeton never sold more than 1,500 cars in a single year, while the Equus has had 4 straight years of sales over 3,000 per year, I'd say the Equus has been much more successful the Phaeton ever was here, and not a failure.

But it still sold far less than the S-Class, 7-Series and Model S, which I thought it was supposed to compete with. Also Hyundai has a better reputation for reliability than Volkswagen in the US, I think.

chicomarx BE

2015-04-29 22:19

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VW actually loses 28,000 per vehicle if they sell one. http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2013/09/daily-chart-18

ingo DE

2015-04-29 22:30

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chicomarx wrote VW actually loses 28,000 per vehicle if they sell one. http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2013/09/daily-chart-18

28.000 € to be precise. Well, with the K 70 Volkswagen made a profit - 17 D-Mark (8,69 €) per car :D

carcrasher88 US

2015-04-29 22:40

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S 415 GT wrote But it still sold far less than the S-Class, 7-Series and Model S, which I thought it was supposed to compete with. Also Hyundai has a better reputation for reliability than Volkswagen in the US, I think.


True, but the Equus is a much less established model in the US than the S-Class and 7-Series, plus the Model S is an American car, so of course it's gonna sell well here.

I'd say Hyundai does have a better reputation here than VW, considering that US market VWs that are built in Mexico are seen as lower quality than ones imported from Europe, plus the fiasco that was the Westmoreland Assembly plant in Pennsylvania.

ElSaxo IT

2015-04-30 02:21

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chicomarx wrote VW actually loses 28,000 per vehicle if they sell one. http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2013/09/daily-chart-18

How Fiat lost money with the Stilo baffles me.

dsl SX

2015-04-30 02:36

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Because Stilo sales were so poor against projections?? It bombed in UK, but still required expensive dealer/marketing/mechanical support while it was being offered plus spares etc after it was dropped.

Sandie SX

2015-04-30 02:40

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I think every Stilo in the UK began its life with Avis.

Fiat even offered the platform to MG Rover to boost volumes: Link to "www.autocar.co.uk"

ElSaxo IT

2015-04-30 03:19

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Here also sold greatly well, and I know that was built with usual Fiat substandard assembly quality but at the time I hadn't realized that was even so expensive to maintain and thus sales were disappointing...

Wonder also why Fiat put a lot of efforts to penetrate into UK market, I remember when Fiat's own newspaper published emphatic articles about the new Croma being chosen for taxis fleet in Bristol I think o the 500 chosen by the largest driving schools chain, but after that don't seems that they make such great numbers there.

dsl SX

2015-04-30 03:50

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Taxis were the only people who would touch Cromas in UK - another on the list of Fiat fiascos here. But 500 a big hit - the driving school deal with BSM was a big coup - my niece learned to drive in a BSM 500 - and created havoc for Vauxhall who had the previous deal with Corsas, and crippled themselves to regain the deal 3 years later.

boys_bible HK

2015-05-02 21:06

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At least in Hong Kong, Phaeton is very rare......only Golf is popular.

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