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1987 Ford Mustang

1987 Ford Mustang in Murder, She Wrote, TV Series, 1984-1996 IMDB Ep. 4.09

Class: Cars, Coupé — Model origin: US

1987 Ford Mustang

[*][*][*] Vehicle used by a character or in a car chase

Comments about this vehicle

AuthorMessage

rjluna2 US

2011-04-13 14:54

Looks brand new!

Lateef NO

2011-04-13 15:05

1987-90. I like this Mustang the most, because it seems to have inspired the front fascia of the 1992-94 Ford Scorpio :)

Ingo DE

2011-04-13 23:08

[:heink] Your are alone with that opinion, all alone.

Lateef NO

2011-04-13 23:13

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I really can't stand superficial car enthusiasts and their cars. That's the other reason.

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Ingo DE

2011-04-13 23:17


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RYzZPsK78Gg&feature=related

Lateef NO

2011-04-13 23:19

Sorry, this is my more of my taste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s05jcrJw0as

dsl SX

2011-04-13 23:21

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_xz6V73e3Q

Ingo DE

2011-04-13 23:23

Lateef wrote Sorry, this is my more of my taste: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s05jcrJw0as


You wanna be a Cowboy? :think: I wanna be... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4wSr7h_pjxs :o

dsl SX

2011-04-13 23:38

ingo wrote I wanna be...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWn5B1FE3fU

Nightrider RU

2011-04-13 23:39

Lateef wrote 1987-90. I like this Mustang the most, because it seems to have inspired the front fascia of the 1992-94 Ford Scorpio :)


How about facelifted Sierra? Mustang-inspired too?

Ingo DE

2011-04-13 23:49

@dsl: sorry, contains Sony... :/

dsl SX

2011-04-14 00:03

ingo wrote @dsl: sorry, contains Sony... :/

First one was Broomstick Cowboy by When People Were Shorter And Lived Near The Water; 2nd was I Wanna Be Your Dog by Uncle Tupelo. Is this one more successful as consolation http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQkxyobL2iI ?

-- Last edit: 2011-04-14 00:06:58

atom SE

2011-04-14 02:33

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZb3Xya7jQ8

rjluna2 US

2011-04-14 04:16

ingo wrote [:heink] Your are alone with that opinion, all alone.

Sorry, ingo. We have our own taste of quirk cars such as my own Chevrolet Aveo :D

Ingo DE

2011-04-14 13:27

Err, rljuna2, have you bought your car really for taste- and style-reasons :??: Not only for getting something for going from A to B?

rjluna2 US

2011-04-14 14:19

ingo wrote Err, rljuna2, have you bought your car really for taste- and style-reasons :??: Not only for getting something for going from A to B?

Yes, all above. I like the styling and economic reason as well. They are easy on gas and maintenance. I have always like small car, why not with the style?

Ingo DE

2011-04-14 19:38

Errr, hum... O.k, it's your car...

Any connection to the representatives from here /vehicle_267752-Chevrolet-Aveo-T200-2004.html ? :p

rjluna2 US

2011-04-14 19:49

:lol:

What is your practical taste on your own favorite? Volkswagen K70? Well, you get the idea. ;)

By the way, I liked Lateef's picture here. I think that one is really funny one. :lol:

Ingo DE

2011-04-14 20:02

Oh, often I've heard exactly that from other people. Today not any more, but many times in the early 90ies. The K 70 had indeed a similar reputation as the Morris Marina, the AMC Gremlin, Ford Pinto, the Chrysler 180, etc. :whistle:

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Nightrider RU

2011-04-14 23:16

ingo wrote The K 70 had indeed a similar reputation as the Morris Marina, the AMC Gremlin, Ford Pinto, the Chrysler 180, etc. :whistle:


Why?

dsl SX

2011-04-14 23:38

Nightrider wrote Why?

I'm uneasy with the Chrysler 180 being grouped with some of these others ... But I can see the link that they were all unloved except by those who loved them - and in some cases still do. And the non-believers tend to think they are ridiculous objects of affection.

Nightrider RU

2011-04-15 00:50

dsl wrote
And the non-believers tend to think they are ridiculous objects of affection.


Honestly I can't see why K70 can be such a beloved car, but also can't see why somebody can hate them....

Gomselmash11

2011-04-15 06:19

@ Nightrider: Ingo its just ironic with the K70 and the other cars ;)

tonkatracker US

2011-04-15 09:01

rjluna2 wrote Looks brand new!
It is a brand new 1987 (episode air date is Nov1987)

Ingo DE

2011-04-15 21:52

Nightrider wrote

Why?


For many yers it was seen as a unreliable, too thirsty and obstructed car. Indeed caused by the Volkswagen dealers and garages itself! They didn't like the K 70, because at first it was only a stepchild, non something own. Plus the in a plenty of VW-employees-brains deeply rooted thinking, that a real VW has to have an aircooled engine in the back.
Indeed a lot of VW-mechanics was totally overwhelmed with the new technology :/ especially with the Solex 40 DDHT-double-carburator. To complicated for the brachial VW-low-tech, they were used to know back then.

In fact nothing is really obstucted at the K 70 - VW has made much worse cobblework ad the 411/412, the 1500/1600 Typ 3 and many more models :o And the Solex-double carburator is not dramatic either, if in good condition, nicely working with an acceptable consumption and no need of maintenance at all.

No kidding: I have a VW-internal dealers-guide in my collection, where really was said, that they shouldn't offer the K 70 too positve, expecially not the space inside and of the trunk, the good heating, the modern suspension-technology and some more details - because if they would point out that too much, VW cannot sell any 412 any more! Because this cobbled junk-box was much worse in all of these items...

Nightrider RU

2011-04-16 18:18

[quote=ingo
No kidding: I have a VW-internal dealers-guide in my collection, where really was said, that they shouldn't offer the K 70 too positve, expecially not the space inside and of the trunk, the good heating, the modern suspension-technology and some more details - because if they would point out that too much, VW cannot sell any 412 any more! Because this cobbled junk-box was much worse in all of these items... [/quote]

But why they can't just seize its prodiction shortly after aquiring?

Ingo DE

2011-04-16 23:52

For a plenty of reasons. Mainly, that the plant in Salzgitter, where the K 70 was built, was erected only for this model - and finished, when the production was still running. Plus the new technology for VW-employees, the missing farmyard-smell, and also the fact, that its construction was more complicated and elaborate as of the other VW's - also of the VW's of the following generations.
THE NSU-developing-eningeers had a different way of thinking than the VW-engineers, they weren't trained very much on reliable, but low-cost-efficiency-production. They wanted to make a more upmarket-made car, with higher-class materials.
Indeed, VW was during the production-times of the K 70 always busy to press down the production-costs. Many parts were becoming cheaper made, made by less and ccheaper material.
Rustfree V2a-bumpers, as mentioned in the ver first brochures, and regularly standard for the RO 80, the other 1967+ NSU's and the Audi [F103], too? No way. There are dozens of more examples...

dsl SX

2011-04-17 00:24

I used to be fascinated by the K70 - the Ro80 was one of my childhood dream cars; I had a few weeks in hospital and my parents scoured the libraries of Birmingham to find car books for me. They found an old copy of World Car Caatalogue 1969 with its little supplement of last-minute releases after the main printing, which had full details and photos of the NSU K70. The idea of a car that never existed but was fully completed was a great story.

Ingo DE

2011-04-17 00:54

This catalogue, I presume?
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with this article

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this advertise

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and this enclosured sheet

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My latest catch after many years of searching, and the only reason, not to be disgruntled about trip to the, this year absolutely disappointing "Antwerp Classic Salon"
For better understanding: this catalogue is not really rare, to find on every well sorted oldtimer-market - but always for outrageous prices, 80-90 € or so. I got it in Antwerpen from a Dutch vendor for 20 €. So it absorbed my fuel costs of that trip :)

Ingo DE

2011-04-17 00:58

Quite meddlesome, the British, eeh? :D

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For the Non-German- or French speaking: "Six good reasons to own a Rover"

dsl SX

2011-04-17 01:31

ingo wrote This catalogue, I presume?

Yes - the same, but the English language edition had different cover and layout. Not sure now if it had adverts. Looks as if I'll have to enter another Saved Search into ebay.

And somewhere in this there's another link to the Chrysler 180 - development of a UK Humber version as the C-Car was nearly complete when it was handed to Simca and became their 949 project instead. While there are photos of early C-Car mock-ups, I've never found pictures of the Humber in its later stages before the axe fell, and my father who worked for Rootes/Chrysler UK was so frustrated when the bland 180 emerged instead of the exciting car which Coventry had designed.

dsl SX

2011-04-17 01:50

PS I always understood that as Ro80 was ROtary, K70 was for Konventional (or whatever the German word is). True?

Ingo DE

2011-04-17 12:11

If the narratives from the past are correct, the "K" shall stand for "Kolben" - "piston". But which is not really correct, as the Wankel-Scheibe (= "disc") is technicially a piston, too.

Nightrider RU

2011-04-17 18:03

ingo wrote Many parts were becoming cheaper made, made by less and ccheaper material.


Vast majority of "updates" in Sovet cars were serving to same purpose...

dsl SX

2011-11-24 22:58

@ingo - just found myself a WCC 1969 UK edition on ebay £19.50. Cooking on gas!

Ingo DE

2011-11-24 23:05

Sorry, but what is it? http://www.wcc.org.uk/ ??

Sandie SX

2011-11-24 23:08

World Car Catalogue.

I have a few of the more recent issues which I've been desperately trying to unearth to put a name on a few of our more persistent unknowns.

dsl SX

2011-11-24 23:08

World Car Catalogue 1969 - with the NSU K70 details .....

Ingo DE

2011-11-24 23:23

Oh, the http://covers.openlibrary.org/b/id/6295267-L.jpg ? I must admit, that I've never spotted one. Does it includes articles or advertises about it? Self written and own pictures or material from the NSU-Presseabteilung?

Is it barterable? :whistle: I'm feeling sorry, that I'm back absolutely Rootes-less :( /vehicle.php?id=391598 ) The next possibility would be http://www.ic-tm.nl/english/Pages/default.aspx

dsl SX

2011-11-25 00:02

ingo wrote Does it includes .......?

I'll let you know when it arrives. My last encounter was 30+ years old, and I don't yet know if this one still has the little slip-in supplement which I think contained the stop-press NSU K70 page. UK editions were separate publications under what I assume was a global franchising allocation, and did not have adverts for the years I've seen from 60s and 70s. I'll try and scan whatever K70 content it contains.

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Sandie SX

2011-11-25 03:10

I've realised what I actually have is actually something different with a similar name: http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2009/04/06/455956.1-lg.jpg

I have that version with the Invicita on the cover and another with a BMW on it. Can't find either though :(

Ingo DE

2011-11-25 12:22

dsl wrote I'll try and scan whatever K70 content it contains.

Thanks in advance :)

Ingo DE

2011-11-25 12:31

dsl wrote No particular plans to increase my collection unless ebay throws up bargains.

Due eBay the prices for such literature became lower, compared with the 90ies, but a better possibility are still spare parts-markets and automobilia-swapmeets. Sure, the professional dealers are keeping the high prices from pre-eBay-times, but sometimes you can make nice chance finds, usually at private sellers or dealers for other things, who have no idea about this specific stuff. Old "auto katalog"-magazines are generally very expensive, but last year I could buy for Raul1983 the all 1970ies-issues for 5€ each, an extreme good price. So with patience and a bit luck finally you will get everything you are looking for, and that not for much money.

-- Last edit: 2011-11-25 12:33:00

dsl SX

2011-12-14 21:35

ingo wrote Thanks in advance

WCC 69 has finally arrived after various adventures and does have the little Stop Press insert with NSU K70, but ..... it's not what I remembered - only a small side view photo and 17 lines of specification/data, which I imagine would be shared across all other WCC 1969 editions. No narrative, discussion, history, adverts etc. I have a picture in my mind of an English language article on the NSU with a head-on view with lights on, but this is not it and I can't think where/what else it was apart from a long time ago ..... perhaps something wider about cars that were pulled before launch with the NSU as one of a few featured and in a magazine not a book, but that's as far as I can think.

Ingo DE

2011-12-14 23:05

Thanks for the informations :) There are a plenty of articles like that in 1969, but that one in the Swiss 1969 "Automobil Revue"-catalogue is the only known with a coloured pic, and it's the only ever released advertise, too. The other articles usually contains the usual photos from the NSU Presseabteilung and mostly the same informations in the text.

On the back page of our brand new club-magazine we have one of the hyperrare private photos of a NSU-prototype, even of one of the only two Estate-versions :)

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We have contact with one of the development-engineers. He wrote his story and we make a serial of it :)

@Sandie: sorry for the wrong source of the pic above it. You deserve the honour.

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