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1965 Shelby Cobra 427 [CSX3014]

1965 Shelby Cobra 427 [CSX3014] in Grand Prix, Movie, 1966 IMDB

Class: Cars, Convertible — Model origin: US

1965 Shelby Cobra 427 [CSX3014]

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shelby fan US

2011-11-22 12:04

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CSX 3012 was invoiced to Shelby American on 1/11/65 from AC Cars, Ltd, and a Shelby American Work order #15067 was opened on 2/4/65. It was invoiced on 4/20/65 to Valley Mercedes Benz Service, 14104 Victory Blvd, Van Nuys, CA. as '1 427 Cobra, Chassis No CSX3012' at the cost of $9,700.00. Painted Astral Silver, a color often used in Mercedes racing cars, 3012 was picked up at Shelby American by company owner Lothar Motschenbacher. The racing linage of CSX 3012 featured its debut race at Riverside on May 2nd, 1965, then campaigned at the following weekend at Laguna Seca, three weeks later in Santa Barbara, a month later in Pomona on, and at the Mid-Ohio ┌SRRC event in early August of 1965. Late in 1965, Motschenbacher traded the car back to Shelby American, taking a 1965 Ford Country Squire Wagon and $7,000 in return for the Cobra.

After a thorough clean up, the car was sold on 12/7/65 to J.D. Hurt. He, however, did not choose to take delivery until the following spring, and agreed to allow Shelby American to rent CSX3012 to MGM Studios for use in the Elvis Presley movie Spinout. Records indicate an insurance claim for damage to the car while at MGM and Hurt's deposit was applied to another Cobra. CSX 3012 was once again repurchased by Shelby American and was invoiced on 4/5/66 to Donald Peckman. Peckman rebuilt the car and raced it during the 1966 season, painted white wţth a thin Blue stripe down the center of the car. Raced in Riverside and featured in a Car and Driver editorial, which stated it as being the best-appearing and fastest Cobra at 1966

SunDude CA

2014-04-11 18:53

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That's not CSX3012. It's CSX3014.

dsl SX

2014-04-11 18:57

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Can you give details of why CSX3014??

sundude CA

2014-04-12 00:49

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According to the Shelby World Registry, CSX3014 was sold to Ford Advanced Vehicles (England) which loaned the car to MGM British Studios in early 1966 for use as the film car in "Grand Prix." There's a magazine photo out there on the Interwebs somewhere that shows CSX3014, in white with a thin black stripe and a full-width rollbar, with the lovely Franšoise Hardy in the passenger seat.

CSX3012, along with 3011, was loaned for the filming of the Elvis Presley movie, "Spinout."

CSX3011 currently lives in Canada.

dsl SX

2014-04-12 01:37

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@sundude - thanks and welcome - we could do with a Cobraholic to sort out our various entries, and you seem to know your stuff. As general questions, we've ended up with an uneasy mix of entries as Shelby Cobra, AC Cobra and AC Shelby Cobra. Much debated in the past by various contributors, but without definite conclusions. So do we need 3 titles? Can it be legitimately rationalised to just AC and Shelby (ie converting AC Shelby)?? Do we have examples in the wrong groups?? Can you give us some guidance on what to do with new entries as they come in so we get them right? etc.

SunDude CA

2014-04-12 15:22

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@dsl ~ Thanks for the kind welcome. I'm happy to contribute where I can to the Cobra entries on this website (I noticed some entries already link to my posts on other websites/forums, too).

The subject of what to call these cars is a touchy one. The Americans seem to generally downplay the role of AC Cars in the Cobra project, which upsets the British fans, even though the vast majority of cars produced were in fact "Shelby Cobras." And the cars were completed and marketed both as Shelbys (in North America) and as ACs (in Europe) which adds to the confusion. Not to mention the various "continuation-series" cars produced by Shelby (in North America) and Autokraft/AC Cars (in the U.K.) since the 1980s.

If you want to have just one database entry, then probably "AC Shelby Cobra" is the way to go for all the original 1960s cars. (You might also need a second entry for "AC Shelby Cobra Replica" for all the others.)

If you want to accurately distinguish the "Shelby Cobras" from the "AC Cobras," then the only way to do this is by chassis number and this info isn't always available.

Does that makes sense to you?

dsl SX

2014-04-12 16:50

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We try and do 2 things on imcdb, which can conflict. The first is to use official titles (make and model), including different titles where applicable across different sales territories. The other is to be user friendly, especially for non-expert audience who may not know the full subtleties of exact official titles - so we want things named in a form people would expect to find them and easily searchable; preferably also with an easy-to-apply system for new entries as they occur - if it's too complex, things have risk of being wrongly entered and sidelined.

On that basis, I think having both Shelby (make) Cobra (model) and AC (make) Cobra (model) is workable - not bulletproof, but most folk would understand and be able to use it most of the time. Where I'm uneasy is that we have under AC as make both Cobra and Shelby Cobra as model groups, without a clear understanding of how this works, and it gives us 3 Cobra groups instead of 2. My hunch is to rename all AC into just Cobra with no Shelby reference (maybe with some of those examples being moved into Shelby (make) Cobras). Is that workable and accurate? Or if we do actually need both Cobra and Shelby Cobra groups under AC name, how do we have a tight system for ensuring that split works consistently?

Another alternative is to move all Shelby (make) Cobras into AC as Shelby Cobra (model), but I doubt folk would accept that; we also have Shelby (make) Mustangs and I'm not sure it would be consistent practice unless all those became Ford as well. Or we could put all Cobras under a new AC Shelby make, but again that does not seem useful - particularly because it's not an obvious search route - and probably "wrong" for eg European examples.

SunDude CA

2014-04-13 17:00

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I agree it would be workable to have separate "Shelby (make) Cobra (model)" and "AC (make) Cobra (model)" entries, but some care would be needed to accurately identify which cars are which. This way, anyone searching for all AC cars (make) would get the Cobras too, anyone searching for all the Shelbys (make) would get the Cobras along with the GT350s/GT500s, and anyone searching for Cobras (model) would get them all.

I also agree that there should not be an "AC (make) Shelby Cobra (model)" entry.

Of the 998 original Cobras built in the 1960s, only 9.4% of them were completed and sold as ACs in Europe so your default entry should probably be "Shelby Cobra" especially for North American movies/TV shows. "Shelby Cobra" should also be the default for the 427 roadsters and Daytona Coupes as none of them was an AC (the coil-sprung AC Cobras were 289 powered).

For this particular entry, it should read "1965 Shelby 427 Cobra (CSX3014)".

-- Last edit: 2014-04-13 17:51:00

dsl SX

2014-04-13 19:14

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Excellent. Let the hounds loose ....

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