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Neon ◊ 2009-12-19 14:23	Another one in the same episode :
medimanic ◊ 2010-01-13 08:44	1988+
130rapid ◊ 2010-07-17 16:02	Wasn't any E30 318, only 318i or 318iS. So it must be late 316 (with M10 1.8-liter carburetted M10 engine) ceased in July 1988. However this car has later (09/1988+) headlights which probably rechanged the originals after many years of duty.
Ingo ◊ 2010-07-17 19:03	@130rapid: in 1988 and 1989 the 318i was in the GENEX-catalogue, for 1990 they've also offered the 316 and the 320i.
130rapid ◊ 2010-07-17 20:51	GENEX catalogue seems the window to normal world for "Ossies".
Ingo ◊ 2010-07-17 21:47	It wasn't!!! No kidding, the GENEX was a GDR-owned company, but it was strictly forbidden to bring the catalogue into the DDR!!! The border-patrol has intensively hunted for them, similar as for "Playboy" and "SPIEGEL" and other Western publications, which contains erotic or -more important- politic articles. But car-brochures and travel-agency-catalogues were allowed - which was in fact indeed one of the reasons, why the DDR-citizens hates their regime more and more. One time, in spring 1989, I've brought my friend in Eisenach a box full with car-brochures (incl. one big folder for the BMW Z1 and annother one for the 750iL), this was o.k. for the DDR-officers - the "SPIEGEL", the "ZEIT" and the "Frankfurter Allgemeine" I've smuggled. I drove my father's 1981 VW Passat [32B], a semi-basic LS-model (it was named CL after early 1982). It had no middle-console, which was very good. I've opened the dashboard there (only a plastic plate with the cigarette-lighter in it), so I could push a packet with literature (packed in black photopaper-plastic-bags) behind the glove box. Behind the glovebox of a 32B-Passat there is a big space. And at this early 32B-Hatchback you could put some stuff in front of the left (only the left) back wheel arch. You need a long arm to grab it from the left side of the trunk, over the wheel-arch. Sure, I was controlled by the DDR-guards. I've hardly tried to avoid giggling, when they checked the all-known places (in the glovebox, under the seats, under the spare-wheels, under the car (an pure DDR-accessoire were the little mirrors on rolls with a long handle) It may sound strange, but this is indeed a reason, why I regret, that the DDR doesn't exist any more (except the political and human waste, which unfortunately has still some influence in the "Zone"): it was a fascinating situation -for us Western people- to pass the DDR-border. Many hated it, many more wer anxious, but I've found fun and fascination. At the third, fouth time you've known, how it's going on there. For example it lasted always minimum 50 minutes. So one time at a Wednesday in February 1989, where I was really the one and only traveller into the DDR (the Transit to West-Berlin was on different lanes and without controls) at "Helmstedt/Marienborn". When I was in a crowd with 25 other Western cars, it took also 50 minutes. I'm really happy, that I've done several trips to the DDR (I was just 18, 19 years old), before the Wall broke down. Oh, it was so great, the mood, the views, the hidden smiles between the Western tourists, which were standing around, while the DDR-Stasi-uncles (always high officers, Major's and so) we hanging in and under our cars, on the search for forbidden stuff like literature and car parts (on the way in) and DDR-refugees (on the way out). Finally I had enoug experience to see on the first view, if a Western tourist had been really into the DDR or just took the Transit-route to West-Berlin or Poland - by the dirtyness of the cars. No kidding, due the dirty DDR (two-stroke-vehicles, brown coal for heating), the cars got a new dirt-cover every day. So it was possible to see, if it had been one day, three days, a week or longer there.
Ingo ◊ 2010-07-17 22:03	P.S. The reason, why it was forbidden, was the fact, that in this catalogue the DDR-people could see, what their products are worth in real money. So cars, TV-Sets, all kind of technical and electronic stuff was extremely expensive there - the offical exchange-rate was for the DDR-regime always 1 DDR-Mark to 1 D-Mark, total unrealistix. The inofficial rate was between 1:3 and 1:7. Once I got DDR-money in a West German bank for 1:11. The GENEX-catalogure was really problematical for the DDR. Think about that: - a DDR-worker earned 500 DDR-Mark, a Western worker 1500 D-Mark. - a Trabant costs in the DDR 12.000 DDR-Mark officially, inofficially 20.000 DDR-Mark and youhad to wait more than 10 years for it - in the GENEX-catalogue it was avaiable for 5900 D-Mark - included immediately delivery. - the DDR-price for a Skoda 120 L was 25.000 DDR-Mark, the Western price 6990,00 D-Mark (it was the cheapest car on our market, together with the Polski-Fiat 126). - The used prices for a Volvo 244 and a VW Transporter [T3] were over 100.000 DDR-Marks back then!
tonkatracker ◊ 2010-07-17 22:18	@ingo, I really enjoy reading the stories that you post. It makes me think how different life was (is) outside of America
Ingo ◊ 2010-07-17 22:55	You're welcome. Except a political interest I always like to have an eye on differences of people at other locations or in other countries (even inside Germany there are several to find). You just have to be attentive. And I like to irritate the people, when I ask them directly, why they do something typical (speaking, eating, acting,...) - very often they haven't realised, that it is specific in one way. This often provokes funny discussions (on vacations abroad, or at my club-meetings, where usually people from different countries). Once, on vacations in South Africa, me and my wife were (funny meant) provoked by a British couple "Hey, are YOU also throwing yor towels on the Mallorcan sunbeds in the early morning?" - "So what? While you are busy with eating porridge(!) and toast with salted butter(!!) and Marmite(!!!), we can do that. By the way, why is your butter always salted?" - they really had no answer for that last question. It opens your eyes, I you have a look for other people and countries. So I prefer Czech beer and the best Sauerkraut ever I ate in Poland. But there is still some space for some teasing left. For example: - the bread in the Netherlands is always and everywhere disgusting. - US-chocolate is disgusting, too - the French have no breakfast-culture (I've hard that from a French himself) - Germans cannot make authentic steaks etc., etc., etc... P.S. Back to the pre-1990-situation in Europe: there are indeed several different awarenesses, depending if you have lived Western or Eastern of the Iron Curtain. Even 20 years later, even in the daily living in Germany. So I was very surprised, when my sister-in-law, grown up in the DDR, has said "You as West German surely hadn't big trouble, when you were catched at the border with a DDR-refugee in your trunk" How naive! You know, which people are saying: "We are the biggest loosers of the Wall-impact"? Seriously: the West Germans, who have lived very close to the DDR-border. They are missing the quietness and the missing thru-traffic, they had before. And the special money from the government for supporting the border-regions. P.S.II I remember also the prejudices, my Canadian friends had about the US-border-officers. They said, that the ladies are much worse than the guys, so a lane with a female officer is always free, because everyone chooses a male border-guard. And we've checked before entering the USA by car, what food was in the picnic-box. Because sometimes the US-patrols were getting mad about meat and grain. And my host-family lived just 200 meters close to the US-border... I've asked irritated: "Err, do they know, that the border-line is just a 10 cm-high curb stone, so that every human and every animal can pass the line?" This doesn't matter for the US Border Patrol, they answered. -- Last edit: 2010-07-18 01:22:25
dsl ◊ 2010-07-17 23:29	Traditionally butter was salted as a preservative, though does not make much difference with today's production methods. But more importantly, what's wrong with porridge or Marmite?
Ingo ◊ 2010-07-17 23:42	dsl wrote But more importantly, what's wrong with porridge or Marmite? Your reply makes me indeed speechless... Even as me and my wife are Scotland-fans. I even like to eat Haggis. I brought some Haggis-cans from our last Scotland-trip. And after some failed tries I've successful stolen two Pint-glasses on the Ferry. But they aren't really British: "Made in France" is written on the bottom. After all you haven't added the newest Scottish Haute Cuisine-feature: breaded fried MARS- and Snickers-bars.
Sandie ◊ 2010-07-17 23:48	They used to advertise Marmite by saying 'You either love it or hate it'. I have never tried it. Not a big haggis fan either. I did once go into the chip shop where the deep-fried Mars bar supposedly originated in Fife though I never sampled one. I'm much too careful with my figure. I also really don't like unsalted butter. We bought it once by mistake :-( -- Last edit: 2010-07-17 23:49:48
130rapid ◊ 2010-07-18 00:00	Good to know how bad situation (in this case) was in GDR. In Poland you could just go into Pewex shop, ask for catalogue and dream on. :P Ingo, what kind of penalty could you get for smuggling those subversive literature? BTW, the famous writer Stanisław Lem suggled real subversive papers (e.g. Parisian periodic "The Culture" wrote by political emigrants' team) from East Europe to Poland many times hidden behind rear coach of his 81' Mercedes 280 SE. It was this W126 exactly, bought new in West Germany; outstanding colour, isn't it?: It was other (not easy) way of buying new car by Polish people. They went to East, got in dealer's room, payed & drove away in new car. It was hard thing because money weren't the largest problem. The biggest difficulty was to get a passport. -- Last edit: 2010-07-18 00:14:24
dsl ◊ 2010-07-18 00:04	@Sandie "They used to advertise Marmite by saying 'You either love it or hate it'. I have never tried it." - highly recommended on hot buttered toast and doesn't make much difference if the butter is salted or not. @ingo At least you like haggis so there is some hope. Now can anyone justify: - jazz music, apart from the suggestion that it's truly democratic because anyone can play it, whether or not they have any talent. - daytime television - chicken nuggets - Roger Moore films - wasps - rugby - people putting their towels on sunbeds in the early morning without leaving a saucer of milk for them to drink?
Ingo ◊ 2010-07-18 00:04	So you take salted butter also for a slice of bread with jam, marmalade or Nutella Here it's total different: it's a real problem, when you want to buy salted butter for any reasons. It's not available in the most supermarkets. Also disgusting: the Belgian strawberry- or raspberry-falvoured beer. Our admin drinks it, as I remember, but for me its un-drinkable. Same with the Tequila-flavoured beer "Desperado". Yuk! It's from France.
130rapid ◊ 2010-07-18 00:10	ingo wrote Same with the Tequila-flavoured beer "Desperado". Yuk! It's from France. ...and tastes alike light beer with a bit eau de toilette addition. I like to drink it sometimes, when I have "strange taste" day.
dsl ◊ 2010-07-18 00:11	Belgian fruit beers - excellent, though the peach version is not as good and they can trigger dramatic bouts of hiccoughs in some people. It's quite exciting discovering how far we can go off-topic before A Big Flash of Lightning comes down. -- Last edit: 2010-07-18 13:28:59
Ingo ◊ 2010-07-18 00:11	130rapid wrote In Poland you could just go into Pewex shop, ask for catalogue and dream on. :P Ingo, what kind of penalty could you get for smuggling those subversive literature? It was this W126 exactly, bought new in East Germany; outstanding colour, isn't it?: - Pewex-catalogues seems to be quite rare. I haven't found any single at eBay in the last weeks - if the stuff was just lying in the car or the luggage, it was only confiscated. And it took a time longer, with an indoctrination and so on. If it was purposely hidden, you got into realy trouble. Some days or weeks prison, also the car could been confiscated. - it was indeed bought in the DDR? When, how and where?
130rapid ◊ 2010-07-18 00:16	ingo wrote - if the stuff was just lying in the car or the luggage, it was only confiscated. And it took a time longer, with an indoctrination and so on. If it was purposely hidden, you got into realy trouble. Some days or weeks prison, also the car could been confiscated. Wow, joking aside. (...) Teens love adrenaline. ingo wrote - it was indeed bought in the DDR? When, how and where? My fault. West Germany, of course!
Sandie ◊ 2010-07-18 00:16	@ Ingo: No normally if I have jam or nutella on a slice I just put that on with no butter. Before the old bakery shut down I used to get a specific type of bread roll and used to love eating them with just butter on them which pretty much everyone tells me was weird. I only really tend to butter toast other than that. Going back to the East/West German topic were the Tranbants ever sold in West Germany? Years ago I bought a really nice model of a Trabant. However, as I was a silly kid at the time it ended up all broken and it ended up with only one wheel and that was stuck on with glue! -- Last edit: 2010-07-18 00:17:41
Sandie ◊ 2010-07-18 00:22	dsl wrote Belgian fruit beers - excellent, though the peach version is not as good and they can trigger dramatic bouts of hiccoughs in some people. It's quite exciting discovering how far we can go off-topic before A Big Flash of Lightening comes down. It's funny how on a page about a car in an Italian TV show the discussion has encompassed beer, butter, the division of Germany and odd tastes that are quirks of particular nationalities!
Ingo ◊ 2010-07-18 00:36	dsl wrote @ingo At least you like haggis so there is some hope. Now can anyone justify: - jazz music, apart from the suggestion that it's truly democratic because anyone can play it, whether or not they have any talent. - daytime television - chicken nuggets - Roger Moore films - wasps - rugby - people putting their towels on sunbeds in the early morning without leaving a saucer of milk for them to drink? Oh, I like Scottish music, too. So actually I have that CD in my car: Link to "www.youtube.com" And some other "Pipes and Drums"-CD's either. A great fun, to play it with full power, when you are standing in a traffic jam. Expecially, when there are youngsters with Rap-shit in the car besides you. Or Turkish immigrant boys with their music. Perhaps my music-taste is a bit strange. I also have a CD with South African songs in use. Fight songs in Zulu-language rocks, too! My actual favourite is original Belgian: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=andre+brasseur&aq=f I must admit, that 60ies-Hammond-music is not everyone's taste. - But I hate nearly all Jazz - but my mother has a real big collection of Jazz-vinyl-records. Fortunately she don't play it, when I'm there. - Daytime TV is asocial and precarity for me. I'm not inhibited to say that to people, who are doing that. - Chicken Nuggets are scam. Pressed butcher's-garbage. Chicken wings and spare ribs are scum, too. You get more bones than meat. - Roger moore-movies are no problem for me. This series is really freaky: /movie_66701-The-Persuaders!.html But only in the German dubbing! And the French one, which bases on the German version. no kidding, the most popular German dubber-professional got the original British material with the words "It is pure shit, the worst junk ever. It was a disaster in Britain. You can make, what you want with it." He did it so successful, that even today there are German fan-clubs for it. - wasps are ugly, but al around in the summer. Scottish and Scandinavian midges can be worse. - no idea about rugby. It's not common here - but more common than Cricket (which is a total unknown secret for everyone non-Commonwealth-ish.) - not me. When we choose our vacation-destinations, always without the classic German-British towel-war-situation.
Ingo ◊ 2010-07-18 00:39	130rapid wrote I like to drink it sometimes, when I have "strange taste" day. Hrrrmmphhh, you have so tasty beer in Poland! And your beer is stronger than the German, always around 6%. When I've been in Poland, I bought "EB" for family-historic-reasons.
Ingo ◊ 2010-07-18 00:49	Sandie wrote Going back to the East/West German topic were the Tranbants ever sold in West Germany? Years ago I bought a really nice model of a Trabant. However, as I was a silly kid at the time it ended up all broken and it ended up with only one wheel and that was stuck on with glue! There was an official try in the 60ies, but there was never a real import. If you were really keen on one, you could manage it somehow with a DDR-owned Import/Export-company in West-Berlin. But this probalby never happened. The Wartburg 311/312 was sold in West Germany, also the first 353 were offered here. But the interest was very low. Normally the West Germans have boycotted the most, which was coming from the DDR. But very often it was unknown, which West German companies let produced there (what Shenzen is today, was the DDR in the past). So many products of Neckermann were DDR-made, also C&A-clothes. And the legendary "Billy"-boards from IKEA! For a while it was said, you should boycott the "Billy", because they were partly made in a DDR-prison for politicals. The Trabant-toys were all post-1990 and mostly cheap shit from China. The WIKING-Trabant is the only one from a well-named brand.
Ingo ◊ 2010-07-19 11:23	Sorry, that I cannot hold myself for annother "nationalistic" sideswipe, but you can get really worse thing in Germany, too. Worse than porridge and Marmite. so in the same class as the Swedish "Sur strömming" - in the cl82-area (so in the old NSU-country). cooked pig-throats! Pure, wobbly fat. Waah! It was incredible disgusting. Me and my wife had hard work to press down our puke-reflex. We went straight on afterwards to a McDonalds to catch annother taste in the mouth. @cl82: es geschah in einer Besenwirtschaft zwischen ÖHR und GD.
cl82 ◊ 2010-07-19 12:31	"The cl82-area"- well, I grew up there, but that's it. Und Besenwirtschaften sind ohnehin ein Fall für sich. Ich persönlich ging dort nie gerne hin, und wenn es sich doch einmal nicht vermeiden liess, dann habe ich mich an den Wein gehalten, wobei Württemberger Wein auch generell überschätzt wird. Ich darf annehmen, dass es zu dem von Dir erwähnten Gericht, das ich gerade leider nicht einordnen kann, auch noch einen Schlag Sauerkraut gab, um die geschmackliche Katastrophe abzurunden. Auch wenn ich zwanzig - weitestgehend schöne- Jahre im "Unterland" verbracht habe: Das Phänomen "Besenwirtschaft" habe ich nie verstanden. Gesalzene Preise, versalzenes Essen, übler Wein- das war schon im Heilbronner/Neckarsulmer Raum schlimm genug, aber in Hohenlohe, wo wesentlich deftiger gekocht wird und die Trauben bei grösserer Kälte weniger Sonne abbekommen war es sicherlich ungleich heftiger. -- Last edit: 2010-07-19 14:27:33
Ingo ◊ 2010-07-19 13:38	Ja, auch -sehr saures- Sauerkraut. Die Schupfnudeln waren das einzig Genießbare. Nun ja, wir wurden bei einem K 70-Treffen dorthin geleitet, weil die dort heimischen Clubfreunde das Essen dort extra als lokale Besonderheit organisiert haben. Wir haben unsere Treffen jedes Jahr an wechselnden Orten, wobei jeder Organisator sich bemüht, auch regional bedeutsame touristische und kulinarische Ziele mit einzuplanen. Ostfriesischer Brataal war ungleich wohlschmeckender, selbst die monströs fettigen Oliebollen bei Treffen in Holland waren erträglicher (daß ich mich davon immer halb zu Tode sodbrenne, ist eine andere Sache). Was ganz Spezielles (speziell Britisches? ) war übrigens der selbstgemachte Cider (im 5 Liter-Plastikkanister) des Vorbesitzers dieses Fahrzeuges: /vehicle_181997-Volkswagen-K70-Typ-48-1973.html
Ingo ◊ 2010-07-20 13:22	tonkaTRACKER wrote @ingo, I really enjoy reading the stories that you post. It makes me think how different life was (is) outside of America In my actual newspaper there is an article on the traveler's page "A short guide for correct behaviour as a tourist in the USA" - don't wear "speedo-like" swim-pants, always shorts - the ladies always let their bikini-top on, topless is illegal - no alcohol on beaches and in the public - never go naked into a sauna - take care of "wait to be seated" in restaurants (in Germany only known from the DDR) - not cutting the meat during eating. Do it before and then let the hand under the table (btw.: worst behaviour in German eyes) - don't be upset about ice cubes in wine - never clean your nose at the table - root beer is not a beer and not drinkable at all - don't use the word "toilet" - you can turn right when the red traffic light is on - don't pass more than one car at one time on country-roads
rjluna2 ◊ 2010-07-20 13:42	ingo wrote - root beer is not a beer and not drinkable at all - don't use the word "toilet" - don't pass more than one car at one time on country-roads Quote from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_beer (Deutsch: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Root_Beer ) Quote Root beer is a carbonated, sweetened beverage, originally made using the root of a sassafras plant (or the bark of a sassafras tree) as the primary flavor. Root beer, popularized in North America, comes in two forms: alcoholic and soft drink. The historical root beer was analogous to small beer, in that the process provided a drink with a very low alcohol content. In spite of roots being used as the source of many soft drinks in many countries throughout the world (and even alcoholic beverages/beers), the name root beer is rarely used outside the US, Canada, UK, Philippines and Australia. In Australia, it is most often called sarsaparilla. Most other countries have their own indigenous versions of root-based beverages and small beers but with different names. We can say anything at the dinner table, including the word toliet. We can pass more than one cars at the country side road
Ingo ◊ 2010-07-20 14:20	When you say this in the USA when orderung food and drinks, you will immediately get the answer "You are German, eeh?" : "No ice, please" And yes, we Europeans (Germans, Belgians, Dutch, Danish etc.) like to put Mayonnaise on our French Fries! The Americans hate that. But the British are really crazy with that - they take vinegar! And a strange, unindentifyable brown sauce. The Dutch version with onions -roeasted or fresh ones, is much tastier and to recommend.
Sandie ◊ 2010-07-20 14:46	Tangentially I have to say that the best chips I ever had were from a trailer parked in the centre of Bruges. A lot of people there seemed to be ordering chips and cheese which you can get here but it isn't particularly common.
rjluna2 ◊ 2010-07-20 15:05	ingo wrote And yes, we Europeans (Germans, Belgians, Dutch, Danish etc.) like to put Mayonnaise on our French Fries! The Americans hate that. But the British are really crazy with that - they take vinegar! And a strange, unindentifyable brown sauce. The Dutch version with onions -roeasted or fresh ones, is much tastier and to recommend. I know most people likes to put ketchup in the french fries, but I prefer to put salt in only I know that Chili Restaruant used to serve fried crab onion with Southwest sauce that usually contains horseradish in it.. Mmmm...
Ingo ◊ 2010-07-20 15:54	Sandie wrote Tangentially I have to say that the best chips I ever had were from a trailer parked in the centre of Bruges. Eeeehh, watch your words! Don't say "chips" to pommes frites/french fries on the European continent! It's something different! For us "chips" are always potato chips, "crisps" in Britain!
Ingo ◊ 2010-07-20 16:22	rjluna2 wrote I know most people likes to put ketchup in the french fries, but I prefer to put salt in only We Germans take mostly all: salt, ketchup and mayonnaise. And there are special names for that, especially here in the Ruhr-area, as for example "Pommes Schranke" ("gate-fries"). With a Currywurst (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currywurst) added, it got -also here at the Ruhr- even a car-related nickname, "Manta-Schale" or "Manta-Platte". Because it's an embodiment proletarian workers class' food. And embodiments, synonymes for dense and dull guys were that gentlemen: /movie_102396-Manta-Der-Film.html /movie_102397-Manta,-Manta.html Btw. Due the "Tatort"-commissioner "Schimanski" ( /movie_92058-Tatort-Der-Tausch.html ) the Currywurst/Pommes-meal really got a strong push-up in Germany You see, so we could turn back to cars and even IMCDB, so everything is fine, and the Sir Admin has no reason to be angry. A propos Sir Admin: I own two ASTERIX-books in the Ruhr-dialect. There Belgium is named "Pommfritania". Annother P.S. "pommes speciaal" is in Holland fries with salt, ketchup, mayonnaise (or a mayonnaise-based fries-sauce) and onions.
antp ◊ 2010-07-20 16:50	What's all that off-topic talk
dsl ◊ 2010-07-20 17:55	Please Sir, ingo started it not me. BTW - saw a report on TV yesterday that they closed a 40 mile stretch of autobahn at the weekend so that millions of Germans could have a big party and eat lots of marmite sandwiches ...
Ingo ◊ 2010-07-21 13:42	@dsl: I've been there, too, and it was really great! And this morning I got the ordered T-shirts : http://www.tour-de-ruhr.de/images/product_images/info_images/393_0.jpg There were 3 millions of people there - but not any single Marmite-sandwich! I don't have a 100% evidence, but it's more than likely - there were even no Weißwurst, Brezel and Weißbier, as the event was mainly thought to show the local culture from here. And all this stuff doesn't belong to our culture.
cl82 ◊ 2010-07-23 23:00	Vollsperrung A40?? Das hab' ich gar nicht mitgekriegt. Muss ja einen riesigen Verkehrsinfarkt nach sich gezogen haben...
Ingo ◊ 2010-07-24 17:31	Oh Mann, die Bayern (also alle südlich der Linie Köln-Kassel ) haben es wieder nicht mitgekriegt. Guckst du hier: http://www.ruhr2010.still-leben-ruhrschnellweg.de/
dhill_cb7 ◊ 2022-01-09 17:26	BG-532-KK returns a MB. Sorry could not help here.
Bux_48 ◊ 2022-01-09 18:06	Borrowed plate.

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