1963 Shelby Cobra 289 [CSX2142]

1963 Shelby Cobra 289 [CSX2142] in Les aventures de Michel Vaillant, TV Series, 1967 Ep. 2

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Bebert ◊ 2006-03-16 21:38
jplemoine ◊ 2006-03-16 23:33	AC Cobra... aérée!
stronghold ◊ 2006-03-17 00:05	I would go with AC Cobra 289 with this one. (Call the other one AC Cobra 427) http://www.ritzsite.net/AC_Cobra/1964_AC_Cobra_289_Mk_II_Sebring_HQ.jpg
ben68 ◊ 2006-03-17 00:28	The "289" was a Shelby "product" as well... Shouldn't we call this model AC Shelby Cobra 289, as for the 427?
antp ◊ 2006-03-17 00:33	Well, why not
wrenchhead ◊ 2006-03-17 00:34	Carroll Shelby would mess himself if he saw these things called "AC" Cobras
stronghold ◊ 2006-03-17 00:38	I didn't mean to miss out 'Shelby'.!
wrenchhead ◊ 2006-03-17 00:41	Actually, I'm not sure of the proper name for these cars. See the discussion in /vehicle_11484-AC-Ace-Bristol.html I don't think it was ever settled.
ben68 ◊ 2006-03-17 00:45	Indeed. To me, Shelby gave only the "Cobra suffix" to "his" cars. His name was not officially linked to the car as a make or a model.
wrenchhead ◊ 2006-03-17 00:54	ben68 wrote Indeed. To me, Shelby gave only the "Cobra suffix" to "his" cars. His name was not officially linked to the car as a make or a model. The company name was "Shelby-American" and his first cars were indeed named Cobra. AC chassis and body/ford engine and running gear. See http://www.carrollshelby.com/timeline.htm and the entries for Feburary and March 1962. See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelby-American May also want to look at http://www.well.com/~vimages/shelby/factory.html I suppose it would be OK if maker were Shelby-American and Make were Cobra 260, Cobra 283 or Cobra 427 depending on the engine. However, everyone seems to call these cars AC Cobra - I don't know why. -- Last edit: 2006-03-17 01:11:29
Bebert ◊ 2006-03-17 06:57	Si le nom du constructeur est "Shelby-American", il faudrait les renommer, non ?
antp ◊ 2006-03-17 09:55	Ça dépend comment étaient immatriculées et vendues les voitures... Comme c'est pas le genre d'auto pour lesquelles il y avait des pubs partout, on a peu de documents pour savoir comment l'auto était présentée je suppose. wrenchhead >> I do not know at all what to do for these "AC/Shelby", so I let you or another admin work on that, and rename some of the other "AC" vehicles if needed -- Last edit: 2006-03-17 09:57:52
Bebert ◊ 2006-03-17 12:05	Moi je veux bien faire le boulot, mais il faut m'expliquer CLAIREMENT comment les renommer.
wrenchhead ◊ 2006-03-17 18:01	I don't know what to do with them. I only report what information is available for the original cars and my comments apply only to the original cars - they were Shelby-American Cobra. However, most of these cars seen in movies are probably not original and are very probably not either AC or Shelby. There were not that many original Cobras (1962 to 1968 mostly for racing) and the original cars are worth millions of dollars. Since the 1970's there have been many replicas available for much less money that look the same as the original. I don't know if anyone can determine, by looking at a picture, if a movie car is an original Cobra or a replica having nothing to do with Sheby or AC. I don't think it matters much what we call the various replicas that are routinely seen. For example: this car is a replica - http://www.jamesmartell.com/images/james-cobra2.jpg IF we saw it in a movie what would we call it? I simply don't know. I would be surprised if any of the really valuable clasic cars seen in more recent movies are original - I would bet the farm that the "Cobra" seen in /vehicle_11079-AC-Shelby-Cobra.htmlis is not a Shelby or AC but a replica that is worth about $45,000 US. -- Last edit: 2006-03-17 18:14:43
antp ◊ 2006-03-17 18:15	wrenchhead wrote I don't know if anyone can determine, by looking at a picture, if a movie car is an original Cobra or a replica having nothing to do with Sheby or AC. One fact that helps: when the car is destroyed it is probably a replica
wrenchhead ◊ 2006-03-17 18:32	antp wrote One fact that helps: when the car is destroyed it is probably a replica I think we can count on that Seriously, I will just leave the Cobra thing alone because I don't know what to do with it. I seem to recall reading somewhere that there are now more replicas than original Cobras so what can one do?.
Bebert ◊ 2006-03-17 19:22	Suggestion: indiquer qu'il s'agit de "copie" (réplica) dans le champ "infos complémentaires", quand on est sûr que c'en est une. Et renommer toutes celles référencées comme elles doivent l'être: Shelby-American Cobra.
wrenchhead ◊ 2006-03-17 19:34	I like your suggestion but I don't know how we can determine real from replica. If the movie was made about 1963-1970 the car may be real. After the early to mid 1970's who knows? I believe that some cars are available that were even built on a Shelby chasis that was left when the Shelby-American factory closed. Perhaps just leave it AC Shelby Cobra as practically everyone calls the car by that or a similar name.
calvin ◊ 2006-06-12 05:06	I know which real Cobras were used in movies. Most of the cars used in movies made from 1963 to about 1976 that had Cobras used real Cobras. Gumball Rallye was about the lastest to innocently use a real Cobra. Most Cobra afficiandos know the entire list (I have the list, and will post it later, I can't recall a couple of the titles correctly at the moment). Since then whenever a real Cobra has been used in a movie, all to the Shelby American Automobile Club members have known about it. They have been RARE and are well known and the car is usually only used in a minor support role. Just to clarify any question, the particular car pictured in this thread is well known to be a real Cobra, and today we know which car it was. -- Last edit: 2006-06-12 05:07:41
antp ◊ 2006-06-12 10:07	Thanks. If a better name can be put on each car, do not hesitate to notify us so we can correct errors i.e. under which make and which model we should list each car.
Alexander ◊ 2006-06-12 10:41	Calvin, as you seem to know about the Cobras really well, would you agree that the marque should rather be 'Shelby American' and not 'AC'. I know that the AC cars were converted by Shelby American and then then named 'Cobra', but did they market it under the 'AC' brand name or their own? How was their naming strategy outside the USA, e.g. Europe?
dsl ◊ 2012-01-21 02:05	645 CGT. Famous car originally built for 1963 Le Mans - extensive history at http://www.supercars.net/cars/682.html . Footage is 1965 Rallye Routes du Nord, driven by Jo Schlesser. Same car as /vehicle_286931-AC-Cobra-1963.html after rebuild.

1963 Shelby Cobra 289 [CSX2142]

1963 Shelby Cobra 289 [CSX2142] in Les aventures de Michel Vaillant, TV Series, 1967 Ep. 2

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