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1963 Morris Oxford Diesel Series VI [ADO38M] 
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◊ 2008-06-19 23:33 |
![[Image: austina55abcx5.5834.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/0is529/austina55abcx5.5834.jpg) ![[Image: austina55acmm6.2252.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/0is83/austina55acmm6.2252.jpg) ![[Image: austina55adue6.th.jpg]](http://img207.imageshack.us/my.php?image=austina55adue6.jpg "http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/2351/austina55adue6.th.jpg") ![[Image: austina55aeda4.4208.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/0is82/austina55aeda4.4208.jpg)  Amazing!!! a Pininfarina may hide another Pininfarina! ... Paris 1963 ... a taxi G7 is passing by the metro entrance "Pigalle" , you attempt a normal Peugeot 404 Diesel and you get a BMC Diesel Morris Oxford (or Austin A60 Cambridge , but I'm not sure) .... I wonder if this car was unique or if some others BMC cars have been used by the companies as G7? ... really , that's a find  |
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◊ 2008-06-19 23:50 |
That is amazing .gif ":)") In Holland (1963) only the Austin (A60 Cambridge) was available with a diesel engine, not the Morris. Bit I don't know about the situation in France... |
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◊ 2008-06-20 14:33 |
It's a 1962+ Oxford Series VI and its Diesel version was, in fact, sold in France. |
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◊ 2008-06-20 18:39 |
By what evidence from the photograph do we infer that this car is diesel? Was the soundtrack accurate, and good enough to hear the rattle? You certainly cannot tell without either hearing it, or reading the script on the boot lid. -- Last edit: 2008-06-20 18:39:46 |
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◊ 2008-06-20 19:07 |
Why a Diesel? Because since Diesel engine was sold in france for taxis purpose in 1960 with peugeot 403 Diesel, then followed by the 404 Diesel in march 1963 most of taxi companies purchases went on Diesel motorization when these were available in the range , in such a way many manufacturers like Citroen, Renault or Simca lost gradually this market to the best profit of Peugeot mostly,... Now, since BMC went on the french market in 1962 (63 YM for me, but rpcm may be right?) with a diesel engine on its ADO38, we can expect that companies as G7, G2 or SLOTA already operating the Peugeot diesel version had choosen diesel for its Morris as well?? ... So probability for Diesel versus Gasoline is rather positive ford diesel... Of course we are never sure at 100% |
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◊ 2008-06-20 20:07 |
But I have taken it that the rules of this game are to identify the cars from the photographic evidence, and, as you say, we cannot be 100% certain since the taxi company might have bought a petrol car for comparison with the awful (40bhp and not very economical at that) BMC diesel engine. Also, it is not correct to refer to these cars as Pininfarina. The ADO 9, the 1959 version of the Cambridge/Oxford/Wolseley/MG/Riley clone was styled by Farina and the cars have always been referred to as Farina Cambridges or Oxfords or whatever. Reference to the Pininfarina website will tell you that only one model, ever received the Pininfarina treatment, and that was the 1100. Link to "www.pininfarina.com" -- Last edit: 2008-06-20 21:12:17 |
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◊ 2008-06-20 20:36 |
@ sixcyl : I mentioned 1962 since it was introduced by the end of 1961. If you say the first model year for these BMC models in France is 1963, then the date should be 1963. |
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◊ 2008-06-21 02:11 |
In cases like this, when there´s more probable that it´s one of the models available. I think it´s ok to make that choice, even if it contains a certain amount of guesswork. As a comparison we have the early sixties Fiat 1300/1500 that looks exactly the same, so mostly we just put Fiat 1300. But for the swedish market the sales of the 1300 model was less than half of the 1500. So it´s more likely to be a 1500 if you find one with swedish plates in a film, but we can´t be absolutely sure. So with this knowledge about the circumstances I would chose 1500. |
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◊ 2008-06-21 09:44 |
The market sales of the diesel Oxford/Cambridge were so poor that I, despite living all my life here and looking for such things, have never seen one. Unfortunately my source book for BMC only gives total production figures by model and does not split the diesel from the petrol, but does say "and it sold very slowly indeed". ("The Cars of BMC": Graham Robson, Guild Publishing London 1987) Much as I dislike inference, that must mean that only a few per cent were diesel. |
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◊ 2008-06-21 11:53 |
I can only remember seeing one: a taxi on Corfu, in 1972. Lord knows why: fuel in Greece was so cheap then that a taxi we ordered to take us to the airport was a 1964 Pontiac Bonneville! |
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◊ 2008-06-21 20:09 |
In the book from the British Motor Industry Heritage Trust 'Complete Catalogue of Austin Cars since 1945' approximate production figures are given for the Austin A60 Cambridge Diesel saloon at 11.350 compared to 229.000 petrol engined A60s. For the Countryman only a total number of 36.184 is given for both, petrol and diesel. This means that less than 5% were diesel engined and most of these were sold for export to countries where different excise duties made it an attractive proposition in financial terms. On the home market the diesel cost £823 compared to £854 for the petrol version when introduced. |
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◊ 2009-09-16 20:49 |
I believe most if not all the sales of diesel ADO38's were to Taxi companies rather than private buyers. Some might have been sold second hand to private owners. British Leyland introduced an export only Marina diesel in the 1970s, not even available to UK taxi operators. |
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