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◊ 2023-01-08 18:11 |
https://www.bonhams.com/auctions/20925/lot/302/ Possibility of it being a 1936 Opel Kadett/Olympia Cabriolet. /vehicle_818126-Opel-Kadett-Cabriolet-Limousine-11234-CL-1937.html -- Last edit: 2023-01-08 18:20:47 |
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◊ 2023-01-09 09:51 |
Is that a Bedford PC van from Sainsbury’s? |
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◊ 2023-01-09 12:14 |
Looks like it. |
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◊ 2023-01-09 18:19 |
There were some cars that looked like the Opel Kadett/Olympia. Apart from the Moskvitch 400 (Opel Kadett in Russia) it can also be the similar looking Renault Juvaquatre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault_Juvaquatre . They were also available as decouvrable (=convertible) https://www.classiccarcatalogue.com/RENAULT_1939.html https://www.classiccarcatalogue.com/RENAULT_1946.html I don't know how common the Opel Kadett/Olympia or the Renault Juvaquatre was in the U.K. at the time. |
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◊ 2023-01-09 19:06 |
1930s Opels tagged for GB, so we had a fair few of various types., although info is scarce. There were also some Irish builds before WW2 - no idea what models or dates except 1937/38/39 are mentioned - which theoretically might have sent cars to UK. Or might not. |
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◊ 2023-01-10 10:54 |
I think I agree with Opel Kadett. When I look at the front, I notice there are diffrences. Renault (lower upper part): /v745591.html Opel (grille goes higher): https://motor-car.net/opel/item/15438-opel-kadett-1 However, there're different front ends on the Opels, some are much more prodtruding Link to "en.wikipedia.org" |
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◊ 2023-01-10 19:36 |
So Opel Kadett Cabriolet-Limousine [11234-CL]?? Or Cadet??? |
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◊ 2023-01-11 12:18 |
In my possesion is a book that is called "MOTOR CAR INDEX 1928 - 39" (AUTOPRESS Ltd Brighton 1964) which, I belive, lists all cars available in the U.K. When I look at the entry for Opel, the adress is (was?) "A.G. Adam Opel c/o General Motors Ltd, St. James's Square, London, S.W.1" 1936 lists "2 litre" and "Olympia" 1937 lists "P4 DeLuxe", "Olympia" and "2 litre" 1938 lists "1.1 litre Cadet", "1.3 litre Olympia", "2.5 litre Super Six" and "Admiral" 1939 lists "Cadet Master", "Cadet Standard", "Olympia" and "Admiral". Apparently it was sold as Cadet in the U.K., but I don't have any deeper knowledge how to separate models. The book doesn't contain any pictures and very little information on each model. |
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◊ 2023-01-11 12:30 |
It might be possible to write a book on the machinations of General Motors and the Nazis, certainly the Nazi war effort may have been boosted by sales of these cars to the U.K., and to Ireland, in the late 1930s. By the time that I was old enough to recognise the various makes of car on the roads in the middle 1950s, there were very few pre war Opels on the roads here. If this is indeed an Opel, it must have been amongst a tiny quantity left by 1956. Much of the British car population was taken off the road during the years of WW2, my dad’s Model C Ford 10 spending the time on blocks in his uncles garage. As a result, and also due to post war shortages of almost everything, 1930s cars often did 20 or more years of service until the introduction of annual roadworthiness testing pushed a lot of them into the junkyards, in the early 1960s. -- Last edit: 2023-01-11 12:44:51 |
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◊ 2023-01-11 12:52 |
Possibly, but as far as I understand, there was rations on petrol during the war and possibly shortage for some time after it ended. Also it might have been rather difficult to buy a new car for some considerable time because of Britains need for export in order to get money. As I understand it, it's quite unlikely that it was worn out, if one does not count the bad oil. Then it might have been considedered out of place as most people (not counting the former King Edward VIII) didn't have a high opinion on the Germans after the war. |
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◊ 2023-01-11 13:56 |
My father ordered a new Morris Cowley in January 1955, it was delivered in October of that year. I would expect, these days, no more than 6 weeks delivery time for a car to my specification, and off the shelf if I take what they’ve got. |
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◊ 2023-01-11 14:37 |
6 weeks would be excellent nowadays. All the dealers I'm visiting since a couple of months rarely talk of less than 5/6 months |
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◊ 2023-01-11 15:37 |
My Glass's info says pretty much the same, and is similarly brief in their very early editions. I can add the street number as 3 St James Square. Nothing shown before 1936 - probably means nothing happened, although it might be vague info. Listed as models rather than years, so: - Cadet - 1066cc, mentioned for July 36, March 37, Feb 38 - Olympia Eleven - 1288cc, July 36 & March 37 - Olympia 1½ Litre - 1477cc March 38, then reintroduced after WW2 in 1950 - 2 Litre - 1932cc, July 36 & March 37 - 2½ Litre Super Six - 2473cc, March 37 & March 38, then reintroduced after WW2 in 1950 as Kapitan - Admiral - 3626cc, March 38 I've also got a Glass's Register of new models for 1939 - basically a price list of everything available in UK that year. Never seen any other years published so no idea if one-off. Opel listing is: - Cadet - 1074cc - 4 versions - Standard Saloon, Master 2dr Saloon, Master 4dr Saloon, Master Drophead Saloon. Each of the Masters was also offered in Deluxe versions for £15 extra - Olympia 1½ Litre - 1488cc - 3 versions - 2dr Saloon, 4dr Saloon, 2dr Drophead Saloon. Each was also offered in Deluxe versions for £16 extra - Admiral -3626cc - 2 versions - Deluxe Saloon, Deluxe Cabriolet A comment suggests this line-up was unchanged from 1938. Looks as if we should use Cadet rather than Kadett for all our British ones pre-WW2?? |
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◊ 2023-01-11 16:56 |
I would certainly have called it a Cadet until I started German lessons! About 1963, as an extra subject in the Sixth form. -- Last edit: 2023-01-11 17:03:16 |
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