[ Login ]

Advertising

Last completed movie pages

See a Job: Flight Attendant; Desnuda en la Arena; 世界の母; Çocuğumu İstiyorum; Annem; Clown Motel: Spirits Arise; Mr. Jingles; About Time, Too: Ivy's Story; Stitches; Hope Springs; 劇場版 美少女戦士セーラームーン Eternal; 美少女戦士セーラームーンCrystal; โคลนนิ่ง คนก๊อปปี้คน; We Visit an Airport; Three Into Two Won't Go; (more...)

1928 Alvis FWD

1928 Alvis FWD in The Love Race, Movie, 1931 IMDB

Class: Cars, Convertible — Model origin: UK

1928 Alvis FWD

[*] Background vehicle

Comments about this vehicle

AuthorMessage

s13a LT

2020-02-26 15:27

[Image: unknownracecari2.jpg]

johnfromstaffs EN

2020-02-26 18:11

My best shot here, VERY tentative, and based mainly on what looks like a single overhead camshaft engine, is an Aston Martin 1 1/2 litre.

s13a LT

2020-02-26 18:14

Could it also be Alvis of some sort ??
http://www.lightauto.com/fwd.jpg
Link to "www.classicdriver.com"

johnfromstaffs EN

2020-02-26 19:55

Only one pre-war Alvis model had an ohc engine, the Front Wheel Drive.

This could be such a car, but the really decisive point is to look at the front suspension which is an almost unique design, unfortunately not visible here.

Link to "www.redtriangle.co.uk"

-- Last edit: 2020-02-26 19:58:21

johnfromstaffs EN

2020-02-26 20:44

Yes, scroll down to engine pictures, please note that it was available with or without the supercharger.

You can also see the front suspension, good grief Snoopy!

https://alvisarchive.com/vintage/fwd/

-- Last edit: 2020-02-26 20:53:11

s13a LT

2020-02-26 20:55

Was this engine design only used in Alvis?
[Image: alvis1.jpg]

johnfromstaffs EN

2020-02-26 20:57

AFAIK yes, more to follow.

johnfromstaffs EN

2020-02-26 21:35

The engine used seems to have been developed from the existing 4 cylinder overhead valve engines used in the later 12/50 cars. There was also an 8 cylinder dohc engine used in the racing cars. A total of 142 four cylinder fwd cars was built, 33 surviving in 1997, when my book was published. 11 eight cylinder cars were built, none survives.

I can find no evidence of the use of either engine by Alvis, or of the designs being licensed or sold to other users.


-- Last edit: 2020-02-26 21:41:24

johnfromstaffs EN

2020-02-26 23:25

johnfromstaffs wrote
I can find no evidence of the use of either engine by Alvis, or of the designs being licensed or sold to other users.


That should read: - “I can find no evidence of OTHER use......”

johnfromstaffs EN

2020-02-27 08:37

A very clear picture of an Aston Martin ohc engine is seen here: - https://www.carandclassic.co.uk/car/C1204871

Comparison of the two supports the Alvis rather than the Aston Martin, particularly the distance between engine and radiator, and the design of the camshaft cover. It is a pity that no further view is available to confirm in a more positive manner.

-- Last edit: 2020-02-27 08:46:35

johnfromstaffs EN

2020-02-27 09:05

It is also interesting that car #27 in the race list is an Aston Martin, whereas the subject picture seems to be an Alvis.

There does not seem to be anywhere else to go, unless another view of the car in that picture can be found.

s13a LT

2020-02-27 15:07

johnfromstaffs wrote It is also interesting that car #27 in the race list is an Aston Martin, whereas the subject picture seems to be an Alvis.


This is because the subject vehicle is most likely not related to the race itself, as the movie was shot somewhere in England, whereas the race footage shows 1931 RAC Tourist Trophy Race in Belfast. The single seater with the #7 race number also doesn't appear to look like #7 Alfa Romeo 8C 2300 LM, driven by Giuseppe Campari (second comment).

-- Last edit: 2020-02-27 15:08:08

Barrett UK

2020-03-03 17:18

This is without a doubt an Alvis FWD. The shape of the doors is particularly distinctive, as is the dashboard binnacle. The radiator shape and position of the headlamps is also correct for an FWD. The space between the front of the engine and the radiator just confirms it!
[Image: 5-23-3.jpg]

johnfromstaffs EN

2020-03-03 18:29

It is pleasing that someone is able to confirm what was eventually teased out above.

So few fwd Alvis cars were built that I had firstly thought of anything but that, and ploughed through my ‘twenties literature looking for makes that used ohc engines. Having seen the Alvis suggestion, and done some further digging the race listing then propelled another curving projectile into the fray.

My time working for Alvis was well after they ceased building nice cars.

johnfromstaffs EN

2020-03-03 18:53

It is now necessary to address our thoughts to this -

/vehicle_1355746.html

Obviously disguised to an extent, but I am bereft of further ideas.

johnfromstaffs EN

2020-03-03 19:04

I think that this subject car is a Front Wheel Drive four cylinder two seater on the short chassis, therefore type FA, Alvis announced these cars to the public in February 1928.

-- Last edit: 2020-03-03 19:05:06

s13a LT

2020-03-03 19:13

Weren't the FWD models also known as 12/75 ? So maybe it should be called Alvis 12/75 FWD [Type FA] (or [FA] ) ?

-- Last edit: 2020-03-03 19:14:00

johnfromstaffs EN

2020-03-03 20:02

The two references I have used make no mention of this, but logically it would follow on as we use 12/50 for the rwd cars, for instance.

I will check further, but as my main reference book for Alvis is 430 pages, it will be a few minutes.

johnfromstaffs EN

2020-03-03 20:16

1) A development car was sold by the Company at the Scottish Motor Show in 1926, and was designated as 12/80.

2) The 4 cylinder cars seem to have been rated at 12 RAC hp so the 12 would fit. (68mm bore times 4 cylinders is 11.4 hp, but for tax purposes the figure is rounded up to the next whole number).

3) The 4 cylinder engine developed 50 bhp unsupercharged, and 75 bhp when blown.

I can find no reference to suggest that 12/50 was ever used for F Series cars, it would have caused confusion with the rwd cars, and cannot find 12/75 in the book. Nor can I find anything to say it wasn’t used.

The picture of the subject car does not show a supercharger.



-- Last edit: 2020-03-03 20:34:47

Add a comment

You must login to post comments...

Advertising

Watch or buy this title - Powered by JustWatch

Advertising