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◊ 2007-09-10 19:47 |
By the side reflectors built into rear light housings, I would say it's a 1970 model year Beetle ( the first year they came equipped with a 1600 engine ). |
◊ 2007-09-10 22:08 |
I'm brooding, if it's a German made or an Amercian made Beetle. I don't remember a 1600-engine except in the 1303, resp. the 1303 S. I'm not a Beetle-freak, but I'm quite sure, that the 1600 was never available in the chassis of a 1300 - like the Beetle shown above. Also the colour is strange for me. It seems to be "mayametallic", which was often sold around 1972/73 for a plenty of VW's. I remember VW 412 with that colour, K 70, too (5 of the 21 K 70, I owned in the last 17 years were mayametallic), also a plenty of 1302 and 1303 - but no a 1300 and never a 1200. |
◊ 2007-09-10 22:42 |
I understand some of the characteristics of US Beetles may confuse people from a different country. Nevertheless, you can't forget that the specifications of German Beetles are different, in many ways, to those sold in foreign countries ( and not only outside Europe ). I suppose one of the most reliable sources can be considered the period documents and sales brochures. So, have a look at this: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/70whatyear/page1.jpg -- Last edit: 2007-09-10 22:43:16 |
◊ 2007-09-10 22:54 |
You're right. The VW Beetle and it's worldwide export (and production abroad) and the usual way of VW to change every year a plenty of details, make it difficult to know all details. Anayways, some of my friends know each single part of a Beetle, to which year and version they belong and so on. But they are dealing with parts for classic VW's as their business. For me as a K 70-freak it's much easier. There were a lot of changes during the prodcution - but this were only 4 1/2 years. The number of produced cars was small, also the export, compared with other VW's (I have the export-statistics 1971-75), so it's possible to know all details (and nowadays the most of the owners). |
◊ 2007-09-10 23:57 |
Talking about K70's and colours...local car museum here in Espoo/Finland has two VW K70's. Not on display but stored for future restoration and exhibition hopefully. Both cars are orange in colour and look identical. Also in period Finnish car magazines what I've seen almost always the test car was orange coloured. Also dark brown was a popular colour. By the way I might know few other half-abandoned K70's around here... |
◊ 2007-09-11 03:21 |
I think all the Type 1's(Beetles)sold in the US were built in Germany? Never saw a K 70 here,though?? (I remember those cars,too...1st water cooled/FWD VW,all I saw were 4dr sedans,think it's all they made?) |
◊ 2007-09-24 23:17 |
@Buc84: (sorry for late replay, but I was on vacations) I think, a lot of Type 1, sold in the U.S., were made in Mexico, too. How was the US-VW-production? Were the Rabbit and the Caddy Pickup the only US-made VW's? Yes, the K 70 was only made as a 4dr Sedans (two NSU-K 70-Variant-prototypes were crushed by VW in 1970). Only 1 (one!) K 70 was officially exported to the U.S. There were a very few private imported ones (less than 10, as I know). Actually there are 3 K 70 known (one in New Jersey, one in Texas, one in North Carolina). |
◊ 2007-09-25 02:35 |
(Answer to Ingo)As far as I know,the only VW's built here in the US were in fact the early '80's Rabbit(Golf)and Pickup(Caddy).Most from the mid 1980's on are in fact Mexican built.(We also had Brazilian ones,too...called a "Fox" here) Some of the very late(1975-76-77)Type I's could've maybe also been Mexican built as well?(US didn't get Beetle sedans after 1977,Convertibles I think to 1979)I do know that they still sold Type I Beetles in Mexico up to just a few years ago,used to be people that tried exporting them into the US in fact?? I do know a guy who works as a VW dealer tech,told me a while back we still get German ones,too? Said the "German" VW's were MUCH better made than the ones from Mexico?? As for there being 3 K-70's here,I have a feeling that maybe they were "private imports" by US Military personnel,just like how a lot of older BMW/Benz came here....or the '66 Opel Diplomat(Only one in US??)I saw once!! |
◊ 2007-09-25 21:18 |
@Buc84: yes, these three K 70 were privately imported by GI's. In Germany the Beetle was produced until 1977. The Convertible-production stopped in 1980. All ever made Beetle Convertibles were produced by Karmann (except some very very early from Hebmüller and Rometsch), never by the Volkswagen company. Karmann also has made all Karmann Ghia's, Sciroccos and Corrados. After the German Beetle-production has stopped, VW has sold Mexican made ones until 1985. Their quality, especially the anti-rust-conservations was worse than before 1977. Around 1995/96 some Mexican made Beetles were available again in Germany, imported by an private company. These cars are really bad quality. A collague of my wife owns such a car, unbelivable, how many parts were going broken during the years. Shortly before the Beetle-productions has definetely ended, a few of the last ones were imported again ("Ultima Edicion") |
◊ 2007-09-25 21:20 |
P.S. U.S.made Rabbits and Caddys were never offered in Germany (I think, nowhere in Europe), also the VW Fox (the old one) is unknown over here. A very few of them are exististing, all were privately imported. |
◊ 2010-09-22 17:27 |
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◊ 2010-09-23 02:49 |
First thumbnail provided by antp is pre-1967 Volkswagen Sedan and the last thumbnail provided by antp is 1968/69. |
◊ 2010-09-24 13:37 |
After so many halfly off-topic comments ( ), a precision about the car: it's a 1973-version, not 1970, due the colour "mayametallic". -- Last edit: 2010-09-24 13:37:37 |
◊ 2010-09-24 13:59 |
Why, ingo? By the rear taillight, it shows 1970-72 version Perhaps it could been repainted I could remember that the original paint on these Volkswagen has black rubber insert between the body, taillight assmebly and the fenders. This one seems that it has been painted over. Comments? |
◊ 2010-09-24 20:14 |
It's easier to change the lamp and/or the fender than to respray the whole car. At the time of the pic it was just 4 or 6 years old. |
◊ 2010-09-24 21:48 |
I guess you may be right, ingo. I tried to go through all the pictures with rubber strip in between fenders and the body. Some are new with painted over and other has shown black rubber strip. It is hard for me to find a good specimen that show the black rubber strip |
◊ 2010-09-24 22:12 |
I'm not sure with the all black rubber-strips between the body-parts, but for sure on classic-car-markets you can buy new made stuff in different colours. Perhaps coloured seals were original made, too. |
◊ 2013-04-01 11:41 |
1968-70 (no banana vents) 1968 only as it has the dent behind the fuel opener i.e. not the handle inside from 1969 onwards. |
◊ 2013-04-01 13:31 |
Main picture is indeed 1970 model year only due to red retroreflector and larger front indicator, but no banana vent. |
◊ 2013-04-01 13:45 |
The color is Maya Gold L98A from MY1973, so not original anyway. I'd say it was easier to upgrade the lamps while doing a respray, rather than making a dent at the fuel filler? Still going for MY1968, albeit in a modified version. |
◊ 2013-04-01 14:09 |
You are right, tore-40 |
◊ 2013-04-01 18:47 |
As tore-40 correctly identified. |
◊ 2013-05-25 15:02 |
'Cough' |