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1952 Austin A70 Hereford Van [BK3]

1952 Austin A70 Hereford Van [BK3] in I fidanzati della morte, Movie, 1957

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1952 Austin A70 Hereford Van [BK3]

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Exiv96 ◊ 2017-07-28 21:32	Austin A40 ?
dsl ◊ 2017-07-28 21:36	I think bigger 1952+ A70 Hereford Van [BK3]
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2017-07-29 08:32	You are right, see feature in bonnet near windscreen, and they did not do a Somersettish van, the Devon shape was carried through until the A50.
jcb ◊ 2017-07-29 11:52	This van must belong to motorcycle racer W.M.Webster of Crewe. A tough looking guy ! Link to "www.mortonsarchive.com" Their is a good chance that is him with the two motorcycles near the van. -- Last edit: 2017-07-29 12:19:23
jcb ◊ 2017-07-29 12:14	Van Registration no. MOG 20 , a converted pick up ? See 'Bill' Websters Facebook !! page . https://www.facebook.com/WebstersofCrewe/ -- Last edit: 2017-07-29 12:25:16
dsl ◊ 2017-07-29 13:13	MOG 20 was a May-Sept 1952 Birmingham series, reserved for gods vehicles. With a low number like 20, it might have been Longbridge factory registered.
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2017-07-29 14:12	Not necessarily, one of the family Oxfords, a Series 2 woody, was ROM 29.
Sunbar ◊ 2017-07-29 14:37	JCB wrote Van Registration no. MOG 20 , a converted pick up ? ... Agreed converted from normal Austin A70 Pick-up rather than based on Austin A70 cab/chassis. Styled wheel-arches and spare wheel cover panel the same as here.... http://cdn.ipernity.com/200/95/90/40239590.9b22b412.640.jpg?r2
dsl ◊ 2017-07-29 15:04	... but check where the join-lines are on rear aspect - there's nothing at the level of the wing top, only down at the rear door base. I wonder if the side is an opening hatch (like a canteen van) so a "false" wing line. Which would mean the whole rear is a self-contained box rather than a partial insert.
jcb ◊ 2017-07-29 18:07	Van sign writing 'Quality Motorcycles for all Occasions ' One for a wedding and one for a job interview please -- Last edit: 2017-07-29 18:08:54
Sunbar ◊ 2017-07-29 21:41	dsl wrote ... but check where the join-lines are on rear aspect - there's nothing at the level of the wing top, only down at the rear door base. I wonder if the side is an opening hatch (like a canteen van) so a "false" wing line. Which would mean the whole rear is a self-contained box rather than a partial insert. Comparing the rear overhang with a standard pickup, the length has been increased by up to 10" I guess, to increase the volume further. The back end is mostly new so panel joins don't have to look the same. It also has square corners around the back profile, where the pickup has a radius at the corner. I agree the upper side panel looks 'plant-on' so I wouldn't rule it out as being an opening if there was a need. -- Last edit: 2017-07-29 21:48:37
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2017-07-29 21:53	The inference to be drawn is that the thing was built to allow transportation of a couple of racing motor cycles plus spare parts and tools, hence the extra overhang.
jcb ◊ 2017-07-30 00:47	Motorcycle would need around 7ft at least , dunno what standard bed length was of the A70. -- Last edit: 2017-07-30 00:48:57
Sunbar ◊ 2017-07-30 12:42	Commercial Motor March 1952 gives the wheelbase of the pickup as 8ft 3in which approximates to a load-bed length of about 5ft 6in, certainly well short of 7ft. I guess the modified van here would be about 6ft or 6ft 6ins at most; removing the front wheels of the motorcycles would be relatively easy perhaps? £680 for the pickup plus conversion costs compares with £840 for the larger Austin K8 three-way van with an internal load capacity of almost 10ft. -- Last edit: 2017-07-30 14:00:07
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2017-07-30 15:13	The K8 used the same engine as the A70 and would have been slower and more truckish. Aside from a financial saving the A70 would have been a nicer drive, and if you ignored the blanket 30mph speed limit for lcvs, a bit quicker.
jcb ◊ 2017-07-30 15:26	Compact bare racing bikes of old would probably just get in a 6ft 6in van. Removing front wheel a pain as then they are immobile. -- Last edit: 2017-07-30 15:34:11
Sunbar ◊ 2017-07-30 16:18	johnfromstaffs wrote The K8 used the same engine as the A70 and would have been slower and more truckish. Aside from a financial saving the A70 would have been a nicer drive, and if you ignored the blanket 30mph speed limit for lcvs, a bit quicker. The CM road test made a similar comment. Perhaps smaller vans were even less likely to conform to the commercial vehicle speed limit. "Although legally restricted to 30mph, it is much happier above 35mph, where the maximum torque is available. I kept to a limit of 40mph, which is still far below the normal cruising speed of the A70..." Link to "archive.commercialmotor.com" The pickup was already considered relatively expensive (for example a Bedford CA van was about £450) so providing its size was adequate going larger would be even less attractive. -- Last edit: 2017-07-30 16:33:06
johnfromstaffs ◊ 2017-07-30 17:42	All of which suddenly puts into place why Ford were still able to sell the E83W. Presumably the scuffers didn't bother chasing them knowing that they were geared for a maximum speed of 35mph. The subject A70 is pictured in Italy, no doubt the performance potential was used on the trip, once clear of U.K. and its silly laws. IIRC, the 30 limit was raised to 40, then the limit was scrapped for the lcvs. -- Last edit: 2017-07-30 19:06:28
Daicos ◊ 2019-01-09 02:51	Blue one might be the BMW Renndienst Ford FK Van.

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