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1963 Volkswagen De Luxe Station Wagon T1 [Typ 2] 
Ep. 2.13Class: Cars, Van / MPV — Model origin: 
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![1963 Volkswagen De Luxe Station Wagon T1 [Typ 2]](i178497.jpg)
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◊ 2008-06-08 22:30 |
Even without the roof-windows it's a 'Samba'. 1962 by those rear lights? |
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◊ 2008-06-13 11:38 |
It is indeed. 1962 Volkswagen De Luxe Station Wagon |
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◊ 2008-06-17 10:18 |
It is the fifteen-window Deluxe Bus made in Brazil. The small rear lights and the mid-size rear hatch date it to 1958-61 as far as I can tell.![[Image: page8290bebb5uj3.3646.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/0is515/page8290bebb5uj3.3646.jpg) |
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◊ 2008-06-17 10:30 |
These are named Kombi Luxo, later Kombi Especial. |
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◊ 2008-06-17 15:22 |
In Brazil, yes, but also abroad? |
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◊ 2008-06-17 17:18 |
Assuming it's a Brazilian-made Kombi, the 15-window body was introduced in 1963. These rear lights were introduced in August 1961. |
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◊ 2008-06-17 17:56 |
I'm still not really convinced that this is a Brazilian model... Cf. /vehicle_170877-Volkswagen-Microbus-Typ-2-T1-1960.html . Did Volkswagen do Brasil export their cars to the States? -- Last edit: 2008-06-17 17:56:56 |
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◊ 2008-06-17 20:16 |
I would have sworn I see the small round lights ... alas, it seems it cannot be. rpcm is right that this version was introduced in Brazil for the model year 1963. quoting www.thesamba.com: But ... I found this: ![[Image: 62deluxea2b3726femb7.912.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/0is127/62deluxea2b3726femb7.912.jpg) ... so much for clarification on the matter. The 15-window bus was made for the USA and possibly other non-European export markets until model year 1963. In 1964 the wide rear hatch appeared and the corner windows disappeared. If you compare the two pictures I posted you'll note on the 1962 model three openable side windows, on the Brazilian one only two. The main picture shows also three, so Brasilia is out. Sorry I started this confusion. Question now is, when was the first 15-window Deluxe bus made, and are these the small round rear lights (model year 1958-61) or the larger oval lights (model year 1962-63)? By now I tend towards oval lights, which means Richard was correct right from the start! -- Last edit: 2008-06-17 20:20:23 |
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◊ 2008-06-17 20:30 |
Sorry, but I cannot agree. Only with the typical rounded windows in the roof-edges, it's a real "Samba-Bus". The Brazilian made 15-window-Bus is not called and known "Samba". By the way: the Brazilian version was never exported to Europe and Northern America, as I know. At least: never ever was an official export of any Brazilian made Buses or Transporters, from T1, T2a, T2b, T3 and so on to Europe. The T2 is still in production, now called T2c: Link to "de.wikipedia.org" A very few of them were brought to Europe, but always imported by private persons or independent companies. P.S.As Wikipedia says: a real "Samba" has 25 windows and a sun-roof, too. -- Last edit: 2008-06-17 20:37:28 |
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◊ 2008-06-17 20:34 |
@Alexander: schau mal bei Wikipedia bei "VW Bus" unter "Die Sonderformen des VW-Werks in Brasilien". Da steht, daß diese T1-Version von 1957 bis 1975 gebaut wurde. Zitat: "mit den vier Seitenfenstern des Samba-Modells" - also kein echter Samba. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/VW_Typ_2 -- Last edit: 2008-06-17 20:34:48 |
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◊ 2008-06-17 23:12 |
@Ingo: Danke, genau dieser Artikel hat mich auf die Brasilien-Idee gebracht. Zusammen mit dem Bild habe ich zwei und zwei zusammengezählt ... und es kam fünf heraus! .gif ";)") Einen 'Echten Samba' gibt es eigentlich nicht, da das ohnehin nur der deutsche/europäische Spitzname für das 'Sondermodell', wie er richtig heißt, ist. Hier bei uns wird aber meist alles mit vielen Fenstern 'Samba' genannt, der 13er (Samba Bus mit Standard Dach ab 1964), der 15er (Samba Bus mit Standard Dach bis 1963), der 19er (Standard Bus mit Samba Dach, nicht offiziell, späterer Umbau), der 21er (Samba ab 1964 ohne Eckfenster) und der 23er, der 'Wahre Samba'. Einen 25er gab es nie ... kein Patz mehr für weitere Fenster ... wahrscheinlich hat da jemand die vorderen Ausstellfenster einzeln gezählt.![[Image: 65deluxe3a2beb71c7ba7.7558.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/0is223/65deluxe3a2beb71c7ba7.7558.jpg) ![[Image: 63deluxe12beb927eln4.3383.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/0is73/63deluxe12beb927eln4.3383.jpg) ![[Image: 19window2bebbc9bed6.4533.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/0is294/19window2bebbc9bed6.4533.jpg) ![[Image: roomwithaview2bec10a6xk2.3047.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/0is76/roomwithaview2bec10a6xk2.3047.jpg) ![[Image: 55deluxe2bec2fc7jh0.6824.jpg]](http://pics.imcdb.org/0is167/55deluxe2bec2fc7jh0.6824.jpg) |
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◊ 2008-06-18 19:28 |
*klugscheißermodus an* Ausstellfenster vorn waren Extrausstattung (sehr selten und daher heute schwerstens gesucht und extrem teuer *klugscheißermodus aus* |
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◊ 2008-06-20 20:33 |
Looking at all the above info I guess I wasn´t very right, more than about the year. I´m pretty sure that the bus has got the bigger rear lights so it would be a 1962/63 model. I also managed to take the official names in the wrong order Kombi Especial was first and Kombi Luxo later, and looking at the info above this 15 window is a 1963 Kombi Luxo for the homemarket. But this one is in the US and it seems to have US-plates also. I can´t find it in any original US sales literature though, but the pictures above with the 15 window model looks american to me so I would think it was sold there. About the name for it, I don´t know but I would guess that they used the same name for these as for the "normal" US buses: VW De Luxe Station Wagon I´ve done some digging about the official names for different markets of the T1: Link to "forum.imcdb.org" -- Last edit: 2008-06-20 21:53:35 |
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◊ 2008-06-20 23:27 |
Yes they are US-press photos. I am not sure if it should be written 'Deluxe' or 'De Luxe', but at least in English brochures the latter variant is more common. |
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◊ 2008-06-21 01:34 |
Hmm, looking through those press photos I noticed that the 15 window model was undoubtedly available as a 1962 model in the US. So I checked this brouchure again: http://www.thesamba.com/vw/archives/lit/62kombi_brazil.php I wonder if this brouchure is actually for 1961? The Sedan still has got the smaller rear lights, of course these might have been kept longer in Brazil. I don´t know, but I think it would be a little strange that they would have produced the 15 window buses only for the US market alongside with the older 11 window buses. |
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◊ 2008-06-21 14:48 |
In according with the Brazilian "Best Cars Web Site", "Brazilian Kombi was exported for Argentina and Nigeria, in Africa, in the decade of 80. In the last nineties it arrived at the Mexican market with a AP-1800 engine, water refrigerated, in the versions Furgão (Van) and Standard ". http://www2.uol.com.br/bestcars/classicos/kombi-1.htm In portuguese, but with some pics... |
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◊ 2008-06-22 18:55 |
So it should be changed from "orign Germany, made for USA" in "Origin Germany, built in Brazil for USA"? |
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◊ 2008-06-22 20:39 |
As far as I am concern, Brazil never export those vehicles to USA until VW Fox. They all came from Germany... |
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◊ 2008-07-07 03:37 |
Scene reused in 3.23 |
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