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They Who Dare, Movie, 1953 IMDB

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  • Lewis Milestone's They Who Dare
  • Operazione commandos (Italy)

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stronghold EN

2006-05-16 11:52

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All the land vehicles (..except for 'maybe' the 1-star tank & definately the Jeep) ..are supposed to be German.

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stronghold EN

2006-05-16 11:52

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American sub & German boat.
[Image: theywhodare47qs.9185.jpg] [Image: theywhodare223ik.1198.jpg]

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stronghold EN

2006-05-16 11:53

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again...supposed to be german planes.
[Image: theywhodare137aj.3402.jpg] [Image: theywhodare157gt.3707.jpg]

junkman UK

2006-05-16 12:23

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stronghold wrote All the land vehicles (..except for 'maybe' the 1-star tank & definately the Jeep) ..are supposed to be German.


ROFL!!!!

sixcyl FR

2006-05-16 20:00

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stronghold wrote again...supposed to be german planes.
[Image: theywhodare137aj.3402.jpg] [Image: theywhodare157gt.3707.jpg]

There are italian Savoia-Marchetti, used by Italian airforces during WWII... but don't ask me the type, I do not remember :D
I doubt,that Luftwaffe used them ...but?

Alexander DE

2006-05-16 20:23

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sixcyl wrote
... but don't ask me the type ...

Savoia-Marchetti S.M.79 Sparviero, introduced in 1936. Some did survive the war and were used as transporters until 1952. Obviously they went into the filming business thereafter. :)

sixcyl FR

2006-05-16 20:31

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...thanks'for reminding about SM79... I must recover my litterature about airplane
The SM79 was also used by fascist forces during civil war in Spain, if I don't mistake :mad:
Mussolini and Hitler took this (dramatic) occasion for testing and practicing their war industry !

Alexander DE

2006-05-16 20:32

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Here is an image showing one with German markings. But the colour, especially the white belt of the one in the picture is typical for Italian versions.
http://digilander.libero.it/lealidellaregia/sm79.htm
http://www.ams.vr.it/Documents/Sm.79%20draw&pro/Sm.79%20draw&pro.htm

Alexander DE

2006-05-16 20:35

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sixcyl wrote ...
The SM79 was also used by fascist forces during civil war in Spain, if I don't mistake ...

Yes, this type was used for the bombing of Guernica, probably the best remembered historical fact of the 'civil' war.

sixcyl FR

2006-05-16 20:40

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Alexander wrote Here is an image showing one with German markings. But the colour, especially the white belt of the one in the picture is typical for Italian versions.
http://digilander.libero.it/lealidellaregia/sm79.htm
http://www.ams.vr.it/Documents/Sm.79%20draw&pro/Sm.79%20draw&pro.htm

the German version is from 1943, when US forces attacked Italia from north africa... German where obliged to involve their forces to help Italians

Bebert FR

2006-05-16 21:04

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Bien que ce ne soit pas le sujet de ce site, à Guernica ce sont des Heinkel 111 (une cinquantaine) de la Légion Condor qui ont bombardé la ville. Goering souhaitait "experimenter" le bombardement en piqué avec ces appareils, ainsi que l'effet des bombes incendiaires. Avec le succès que l'on connait... :mad:

Alexander DE

2006-05-16 21:39

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Bebert wrote ... Guernica ... Heinkel 111 ... Légion Condor ...

You are right about Legion Condor and I don't want to give the impression that they (i.e. the Germans) were not involved.
The first attack against the town was flown by one Dornier Do 17, followed by three Savoia-Marchetti SM.79, then a Heinkel He 111 escorted by five Fiats, followed by two more attacks. The main attack that destroyed the town and killed about 1.650 persons (figures vary), was carried out by Junkers Ju 52 from three squadrons escorted by Fiats, Messerschmitt Bf 109 and Heinkel He 51 fighters. The fighters shot at fleeing civilians in the road while the bombers threw incendiaries to officially destroy a stone bridge!

It should be mentioned that the same bombers destroyed the smaller town of Guerricaiz earlier that day. A fact that is less well known just like so many other war crimes.


Sorry about getting off topic but I think it is important to remember the past and learn for the future. If everyone would learn from history we would not have people backed goventments that even today start wars for profit or fundamentalist ideas.

jplemoine FR

2006-05-16 22:39

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Vielen Dank, Alexander. Dazu hast du nun völlig recht. Diese dunkle Seite der Geschichte dürfen wir nicht vergessen. Doch soll auch gesagt, dass die französische Regierung auch eine schwere Verantwortichkeit trug, insofern dass sie stumm blieben. Guernica war zwar ein Krimi... aber das deutsche Heer war nicht der einzige Kriminal... Still bleiben kann genauso gefährlich sein! Und, unter Druck der Angst vor den Roten, schwiegen genauso die Franzosen wie die Engländer und die Regierung der Vereinigten Staaten...
Dafür bin ich dir dankbar, dass du uns diese Geschichte wieder zu Bewusstsein bringen kannst.

Bebert FR

2006-05-16 23:24

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jplemoine wrote Vielen Dank, Alexander. Dazu hast du nun völlig recht. Diese dunkle Seite der Geschichte dürfen wir nicht vergessen. Doch soll auch gesagt, dass die französische Regierung auch eine schwere Verantwortichkeit trug, insofern dass sie stumm blieben. Guernica war zwar ein Krimi... aber das deutsche Heer war nicht der einzige Kriminal... Still bleiben kann genauso gefährlich sein! Und, unter Druck der Angst vor den Roten, schwiegen genauso die Franzosen wie die Engländer und die Regierung der Vereinigten Staaten...
Dafür bin ich dir dankbar, dass du uns diese Geschichte wieder zu Bewusstsein bringen kannst.

+1

sixcyl FR

2006-05-16 23:49

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Alexander wrote
Sorry about getting off topic but I think it is important to remember the past and learn for the future. If everyone would learn from history we would not have people backed goventments that even today start wars for profit or fundamentalist ideas.

... do you think of a particular government ? :lol:

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